#1 Boats That Hold Their Value!

No replacement for displacement. You just can't beat it. I wouldn't do three V8, 350s over to 3L6400s

I'd like to know your thoughts on the new BRP ghost outboards. Your risk tolerance is too high

If you had to make a list of the top five boats to restore, what would they be? It could be purely subjective, like what boats you just like or what boats have the highest potential to turn a profit flat out or are worth investing your time and money into

Now, this is going to break down to eras. your 50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, each one of these eras are going to have a brand in them that has a more valuable haul than another

So what I'm going to do is talk about brands as an overall scope of which ones are going to hold the most value

Well, for me, I mainly deal with center console. So I'm going to mainly be talking about center console brands that do make cutty cabin stuff like that

But you could niche this down even further to wakeboard boats. ski boats, bass boats, flats boats, stuff like that

But for me, I'm talking about things that I am more familiar with. And also just to show you the biasedness of my opinions and the brains that I pick for the top five

I actually, out of the five, my top five, I'm only really a big fan of one of them

I would also say to stay away from production line boats. So massively produced boats where there is a very high supply and a very short demand

those boats aren't going to hold the value, so I'm not even going to talk about a lot of those brands

My top five is going to have Boston Whalers going to be in there

For whatever reason, they hold their value forever. They just do. They hold their value

People love them. They are a really good haul. The brand as an overall package just has a strong brand name

They hold their value. Me, I'm personally only really a fan of the older whalers

So the 70s, 80s, those older boats like that, even some of the 90s, the newer Boston

Whalers, I'm not that big of a fan of, but again, the brand holds its value over time, period

Then the next one I'm going to say is going to be the pursuit

So pursuits I am a fan of, I am a big fan of a pursuit

I love a tiara. I love a pursuit. They look nice. They ride nice

then they hold their value for a very long time. And you can find quite a bit of them out there that need to be restored

So I'm going to say a pursuit all day. They hold their value and it's a great boat

I'm also going to say a contender. They hold their value and there's quite a few of them out there that need to be restored

and you can find them. I'm not the biggest contender fan. I like a pursuit way more than I like a contender

But they're an all right boat and again, they hold their value. I had to put on the list. They hold their value. There are a ton of them out there

especially older ones that need to be restored. And so when you get a restored one

there is a market for them and people like them. Then the last one that I'm going to put on this

top five list is going to be a Parker, even though I'm not the biggest Parker fan either

But again, they hold their value and there's a ton of them out there that need to be restored

so it is a good brand to go into. Now, some honorable mentions

Well, actually, you might be wondering, why didn't I say something like a CV? Because everybody knows my favorite boat is a CV

but they don't exist. You don't, you can't find them. They don't exist

People that have CVs keep CVs, and they just rotate around within the CV community

I guess you would call it. And they just don't exist. You can't find an old worn-out

CV that needs to be restored that you're going to get on the cheap. They're hard to find

So if you find one and you can come across one, you better scoop it up because it won't last long

Honorable mentions, I'm going to say intrepids, intrepids holder value, good brand, good boat

There's a lot of them out there. Formulas, scouts, stamus, same thing

on the scout brand i mean again there's not as many out there but they they hold their value good brand

a hughes they're also a little bit tougher to find but awesome boat it's more of a flat boat

same thing as like a maverick so any of those great brand they hold their value and sometimes

you can find them there's not a ton of them out there but there are um fountains chris crafts uh

Lonzi's and Pathfinders. Those are going to be what I would say

brands that hold their value over the long term. So these are all brands that have decades of boats in production and been sold

So they have, you know, 40, 50, 60 years of models, and they've held their value over the long run

That's why I picked the names that I put on the list. So let's go to some questions with Richie or Rich Ellis, Sherro props

They are the real deal. So last week we did talk about Sheros

And yeah, I don't have a lot of experience with them, but they look phenomenal. So he says they are the real deal

The company is very good too. My friend runs them on his pursuit. I love a pursuit

The noise reduction is noticeable. The fuel economy is about 30% at cruise and they will optimize the props for your boat

Also, he spun one and they replaced. it and took the other one back and gave him two new ones

If you can afford them and you do a lot of boating, do it

It's a solid investment. That's kind of what the discussion was that we talked about was if you spend $5,000

on a prop, is it really worth it? And that's the biggest selling point right there

He said that if you do a lot of boating and you spend a lot of time on the water, you're burning a lot of fuel, then purchasing that prop in the long run is a solid investment

especially if you're going offshore and you're not worried about. running aground and tearing up the prop anything like that m76 i think i'd personally rather have

three four hundreds versus four three hundreds fewer lower units in the water generally equates to

better economy and the three four hundred weigh three hundred pounds less than the four three hundreds and i going to agree with you back when that was done again they didn have a V10 out So now that you got a V10

it's a totally different thing. Now, if you were talking about having three, four hundreds

like an L6 or something like that, I wouldn't, I wouldn't make that swap

I wouldn't do a, I wouldn't do three V8, 350s over to three L6, 400s

just because it's, it's a weight factor. It's a cylinder factor. It's a power factor

It's the same concept of taking a Ford Ranger, jacking it up, put it on 44s, and then trying

to tow 20,000 pounds. You're trying to make a little truck do big truck things

Same thing. You're trying to make a little engine do big engine things

You just can't beat the power of a V8, I mean, a V10 now, a V12, like no replacement

for displacement. You just can't beat it. So, yeah, I wouldn't go smaller

But now that there's a V10 400, yeah, I would definitely go from a V8 to the V10 and do three over the four 300 V8s

Mr. Bob live in New York, Long Island, to be specific, always run anti-ethanol in my gas before putting boat up for the winter

I also started over the last few years, started running a product called Winterizeit Pro

A friend of a friend created it. It looks like a can of WD40 and hooks up to your outboard flush port

It's an oil-based protectant that coats the water jacket of your motor

I've never heard of that, but I definitely would like to look into that

I mean, it sounds like a good product. So anything that's going to have an oil-based protectant and coat the inside of the engine is going to be good for the engine

I mean, that's one of the biggest problems that outboards or boat engines in general have

is that you're running raw water through your engine to cool it

and you know, you got raw water on everything. So especially in a salt climate

anytime that you can get that water off and get it oiled

it's going to prolong the health of the engine, the life of the engine

and the material, your metal. I mean, we're talking about metal here

So anytime you can keep metal oiled, it's not going to rust

it's not going to dry out. it's going to last longer. So Shore Sharp, 83.49

I'd like to know your thoughts on the new BRP Ghost Outboards

Same concept, but for pontoon boats. I mean, honestly, if you look about anything out there about the Ghost Outboards

I haven't seen anything good. To me, I just don't, you know

I don't like the idea of taking the engine and sticking it underwater

It just doesn't make, it makes no sense. to me. It makes no sense to me. I don't know how it makes sense. I can't, I can't even begin to

understand where the line of thought is, where let's take our cowling and our whole engine and stick it

under the water. I mean, that's the biggest problem. And that was the biggest advantage of

an outboard over the IOs and all the rest of the stuff is that one, you could trim it, and two

you can get it out of the water. So now these engines, someone's going to take this engine

that's under the water and leave it in the water for, say, two weeks

what's that thing going to look like? How long are the bolts and everything going to last

before you can't get the thing apart? And you're just, I mean, it's just asking for trouble

if you ask me. I would love to play with one, but, I mean, longevity and

And it just does not sound like a good idea to me to stick the engine under the water

And I just don't, I don't like it. I don't like it

There's nothing that's nothing good. Nothing says good about it. I understand part of the idea

You live in the north and you are used to bow riders, wakeboard boats, ski boats

inboard engines, you're used to a boat that doesn't have an engine on the back of it

it. And most of those people that live up there, they look around and they say, oh

outboards are ugly. They don't like looking at it. They don't want to see it. And so I guess I

see the concept of it's an outboard, but yet you don't see it. So you kind of like are fulfilling a

demand of someone. But at the same time, reliability, longevity, functionality, serviceability

like your risk tolerance is too high. So nope, I don't, that's that's kind of my opinion

on it. I don't I don't get it. I don't. There's, I'm speechless

So, fishy dubs, fishing, that's unnecessary. Those are stainless steel shafts. They are made to be in the water

I mean, I guess, but at the same time, dainless ain't stainless

Like, every, it's metal, every metal rust, every metal carodes, every metal pits

And so, yeah, stainless steel in Wisconsin, is going to last forever

But stainless steel in South Florida, or pretty much all over Florida

it don't last. Like how many times do people with 20-year-old trim units

20-year-old outboards have all these trouble with the steering components, with the trim components

Yeah, they're stainless steel shafts, and they're supposed to be stainless steel

but they still pit. The salt gets on the Rams. And then that salt, when the water evaporates, you've got salt

minerals left on that stainless steel. They pit, they corrode, they cause problems

You get nicks, you get deans. Like, that's kind of like one of the things that happens

So stainless steel doesn't rust. I mean, it kind of does. And especially when you get into Caribbean-style waters

they say that even plastic rusts down there. So voodoo and, Was it worth it? Cough, the bully netter? Yeah, the bully netter to me was worth it. Obviously

I wasn in it for the money I was in it because I wanted a bully netter and I wanted to make one And I also wanted the content I wanted to be able to make content and have that for you So to me it was worth it I mean based on how I did the project

I probably could have shaved a lot of time off of it. But, you know, doing a weekend project style

kind of between making content, working on engines and fixing stuff and then actually, you know

creating the content and doing the work on the boat, time gets spread pretty thin. So

So in a better environment, I probably could have made it faster, but, you know, hindsight's always 20

J-Jocco, great video, mate. I have an idea for your next video when the grease fitting won't take grease and you remove it to find packs salt behind it and how to unclog that situation

You know, any grease fitting that does that, they all do that over time if you don't use them

The more you use them, you know, back to annual maintenance and service and stuff like that

as long as you're putting grease in it two, three times a year, they shouldn't clog up

But if you go five years without, you know, putting grease in there, they pretty much clog up

Sometimes you can take a pick and push that little ball in to get them going again

to get them take fitting, to take grease. But at the same time, a lot of times you just have to take the fitting out

And then you are going to have to drill out the salt that is packed up behind it

it and replace that Zerk fitting. It's not uncommon for those things to not be salvageable

I mean, they're like $5,10 to buy a new one. So I think it's a 10 millimeter

There's, you know, hexes on it. So you can put a 10 millimeter wrench on there and take it out

So, I mean, just remove and replace kind of deal. Drill out whatever's behind there

It also, depending on, you know, how bad it is, You might even have to heat some stuff up to get that old crusty grease out of there

liquefied so you can put new grease in there and get your thing going again

Indie. How do you feel about diesel outboards? Honestly, I'm surprised it took them so long to make a diesel outboard

I know you had Optimax, you know, Mercury made, turn the Octimax into a diesel for government use

So that way, you know, all these government big shifts and stuff like that, they only carry diesel

They didn't want to have to carry diesel and gasoline on the boat. So they made the Optumax to be a diesel outboard

But until Ox and Cox and all these other brands started, you know

a dedicated brand to a diesel outboard, it's fairly new. And I'm surprised that it took so long to make them

You know, diesel's made for pushing weight. You want big power, big engines to move

massive amounts of weight. All of your big sport fish and the larger yachts stuff like that, they're all running

diesels because you're moving a lot of weight. You don't really care about doing 100 miles an hour

And so I understand that because now whenever you're talking about an outboard

you're talking about the lower unit and a smaller propeller. So the advantage of that big diesel power in a bigger boat where you've got a straight shaft

or a pod drive or something like that where you can put a bigger prop with a bigger transmission

bigger lower unit in order to you know actually utilize the power that you get from the diesel

I would say that kind of has played into the factor of why they haven't been created beforehand

But now, I mean, theoretically the fuel economy compared to a gasoline engine

is going to be way better. I really don't, I haven't spent a lot of time with a diesel outboard running them, comparing them

researching them, looking at the fuel economy compared to the gasoline, what's the overall speed

what's the RPM that they turn, all those kinds of things. I don't really have a good background or pool of information of experience to be able to speak

on that. But, I mean, I think it's a great thing. przez, I mean, look at it, look at your vehicles

Gasoline engines, a lot of them 300,000 miles. Diesel engines, a million miles

Like, you can get a lot more longevity out of the engine

So I am surprised that it took as long as it took for there to actually be outboard

diesels, if that kind of is an opinion. Depends on the fuel source, make, and model diesel is generally more

efficient than gasoline and you don't have a bomb under your feet. You know, it's the same concept

of these people that want to have two, three, four, five, six outboards on the back of their

boat. It's a different type of boating. Like, I think that a lot of people have a different

understanding. They're too used to the way they like to go boating, opposed to the way that these

people like to go boating. The people that are buying four, five, six outboards, they don't care

about money. They're making three, four, five hundred thousand dollars a year and they value their time

more than they do, you know, their bank account because they've got so much income coming in

They don't care about spending money. They're used to spending five, six, $10,000 a month

on fuel. And it's more about time. So the whole gasoline diesel topic kind of stems from that where

you're talking about saving money with the diesel and the fuel efficiency

You're not concerned about time. These guys that want to go 70 miles an hour, 80 miles an hour in their 45 foot boat is because they want to get to their house, load their boat up, leave the dock at like 7.30 in the morning, run 60 miles offshore, get there in an hour, spend two, two and a half hours fishing

load up their boat, run an hour back, and be able to go home and go out to lunch with their family

Like that's what they're doing. They not doing it just for you know showing well I mean that not entirely true There a lot of people that just keep putting outboards on the back of the boat just to one up the Joneses and show how much money they got but on the other side there a lot of them that they running to the bahamas they running you know 80 miles offshore and opposed to it

taking them three four hours to get to the fishing spot and then only fishing two hours and then

taking three four hours to get back home that's an entire day where if they can you know

burn this down and and have the same size of a boat go 65, 70 miles an hour and get to their spot and save four, five hours off of their day

I mean, they don't care about the money. They want their time

And that's how they buy their time. You're not going to get that speed out of the diesel

A lot of these diesel outboard boats and stuff like that, you know, you're cruising 20, 25, maybe 30 knots

You know, you're not going 65. miles an hour, 70, 80 miles an hour on those boats

Do you want to go fast or do you want to save money and you want to cruise? It's like comparing a 65-foot Viking with a 16-foot hues, flats boat

They're two different boats for two different things. And to say, well, this one's better than this one because it's bigger, not really because

the flats boat can go up on the flats and you can go bone fishing. but you don't really want to take the flats boat 75 miles offshore to go tuna fishing

So, I mean, I think that's kind of the discussion and probably why a lot of people have this misconception of what's the point of, you know, why don't we have diesel

Why don't we have gas? Why don't we have this? Why don't have that? It's because there's different types of boating and it's different types of uses out of the boat

Orlando, I believe Tehatsu and Suzuki still make two strokes overseas. I think they do too

So does Yamaha. They still make their Endura, or the Enduro, but you can't buy that in the United States

I'm pretty sure you can't buy that in Canada. And there's probably a lot of places over in Europe, too, that you can't buy those engines

So it all depends on where you're at, what you're doing, and that kind of thing

John Noone, I wonder how the math works factoring the extra purchase

price and increased maintenance of the extra engine. Would the fuel burn savings offset that when you add more engines and depending

how much fuel you burn and how far you go, how much boating you do? You know, what is that math

What is that? Is it two years? Is it three years? Is it never? Depends on how you use the boat

Some of these people like we're just talking about are making these massive trips

They're going to the Bahamas every other weekend and they're spending $5,000, $10,000 a month in fuel

so if you can get a 20, 30% increase in your fuel economy

you probably are going to recoup that money within one boating season

So, you know, how much do you use your boat? Do you use the boat enough to justify the purchase of something to increase your fuel economy

Yep, boats are so expensive because they are incredibly labor-intensive to build

and that is the truth. Factoring time is probably one of the hardest things to do in any business

business in any boat and any projects, stuff like that, because it's the one thing that most of us

don't, you know, value as much as we probably should. You know, you look at a project and you say

oh, well, I could do this myself and it take me 200 hours to do, or as you could pay somebody

you know, $6,000 or $6,000 or whatever to do it. Whereas if you did it, you spend these 200

hours if you actually just went and worked a job for 200 hours and made the extra money you

probably could just pay someone to do it but yeah getting getting someone to do it right and then

um you know having it done the way you want it that all plays into it it's yeah it is labor

labor intensive and you never you never get that back you can never get the time back

the only thing that we can do is try and figure out a way to make the job quicker

without you know sacrificing quality expat life 30 would love to see swap of mercury

350 I'm saying I'm guessing he says L6 to Mercury 300 V8 what do I need to buy besides

an engine when repowering. So if you're going from an L6 to a V8, so you're 350

I'm guessing that you're talking about a 2015 or newer L6, not a 350 SCI, which is like, you know

04 to 07 maybe. If you got that old one, you're going to need all, you know

all the rig is going to need to be replaced because the command modules and the way everything else worked

ain't going to work. If you got the 2015 or newer, a 350 L3

L6, then all the rigging is going to be fine. You can swap over to the 300 V8 without changing any of the rigging

The biggest thing you're going to factor in, though, is going to be whether or not

the rigging that you have going to the engine being your 14 pin, your fuel hose, power

cable, ground cable, steering, sensing wire, your boat harness going to the water separator

that stuff, is that rigging long enough? have enough extra in the boat to get to the back of the engine because on the L6

it's right in the front port side of the engine where all the rigging hooks up

but on the V8, it's around to the back and up. So you need an extra like two feet for most of those hoses and harnesses to make it back

to where they plug in on the back of the V8 compared to the L6. But as long as you got that distance, the V8's going to hook up fine with all

the other DTS stuff that you have already in the boat. So we will go, let's do one more

So bass, fashion, I can go full throttle for eight hours and only burn six gallons with

my two stroke. Maybe speak for yourself. If you got a 10 horsepower outboard, then sure, you can go eight hours wide open throttle

and only burn six gallons. But you ain't doing that with anything bigger

We'll end it there. So we'll see you next week. Check us out at born againboating. on